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Podcast episode transcript & companion document: Disrupting Whiteness (Season 1, Episode 2)

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“It's ultimately so that, as Black folks, as Indigenous folks, our lives are better at the end of all of this. That is the ultimate goal. It's not so that White people feel comforted.” – Sume Ndumbe-Eyoh (Mind the Disruption, Season 1, Episode 2)

Mind the Disruption is a NCCDH podcast about people who refuse to accept things as they are. It’s about people pushing for better health for all. It’s about people like us who have a deep desire to build a healthier, more just world.

You can consume Episode 2 in two ways: 1) by listening to the episode and/or 2) by reading this episode transcript and companion document.

This episode transcript and companion document, available in English and French, provides a new way to engage with the Mind the Disruption podcast. It includes a written transcript of Season 1, Episode 2 “Disrupting Whiteness” with key quotes and related resources to prompt further reflection, sharing and exploration.

About this episode: Sume Ndumbe-Eyoh has been raising tough conversations about Whiteness, White supremacy and racism for over 10 years in the public health field. Whiteness is the practices, policies and perspectives that create and enable the dominance of White people, norms and culture. Listen to or read this episode to learn about Sume’s personal story of growing up in Cameroon, becoming “Black” in Canada, and how she persisted — despite fear and constant pushback — in naming and disrupting racism in public health. Later in the episode, we hear from public health nurses Mandy Walker and Hannah Klassen who, inspired by Sume, share their research about how Whiteness shapes the nursing profession and how this can be changed. Mandy and Hannah are both registered nurses and Knowledge Translation Specialists at the NCCDH as well as recent Master of Public Health graduates. In this episode, you’ll hear from Sume, Mandy and Hannah about how each public health practitioner can dismantle these practices, policies and ideas.

Use this resource to:

  • Facilitate discussion about the ways that racism and Whiteness show up in public health and how to dismantle these harmful practices, policies and ideas.
  • Use and share this written episode transcript to learn about pressing health equity and social and structural determinants of health issues and solutions.
  • Explore embedded related resources from NCCDH and others to support public health action.


Related Resources:

Let's talk: Racism and health equity

Let's Talk: Whiteness and health equity

Webinars on racism, anti-racism and racial equity

Black Nurses Task Force Report

National Collaborating Centre for Determinants of Health. (2023). Podcast episode transcript & companion document: Disrupting Whiteness (Season 1, Episode 2). Antigonish, NS: NCCDH, St. Francis Xavier University.  

Tags: Racism/racialization, Anti-Black Racism, White supremacy/Whiteness, Audio, Podcast, Document, Report / Document